Never forget that your government could turn on your community, too. We are all at risk of becoming victims of these twisted people who were just following orders. 🌺Yvonne
Like no knock accidents slaughtering innocents, the government and its tentacles never seem to learn and improve. I had an under grad class with an FBI agent who when questioned on both Ridge and Waco said it was a dark stain on the agency. That’s it. Welllllll….. ok then. Lesson learned not needed in that pay grade I guess. If non violent options are not even considered, if accusation can warrant murder to ‘save’ and bring about law- then no one is safe in the end. Just like the hate directed at fly over country, the religious, the ‘right’, the veterans, the soccer moms of deviance can all become enemies of the state if you throw the right mud at them. With our Congress siding against the Constitutional rights to be safe in person and property, to not be subject to warrant less search and seizure, To be free to speak out unpopular opinions about the government or its representatives who we pay to in fact represent We The People-it becomes quite clear we are all potential baton victims if we fall out of line. How appalling to think devout Catholics have been viewed enemies of this country, and if them then how long until those wild and crazy Mormons are looked into, or the Amish and their tax aversion ways….religion seems to be a dangerous haven if Covid or patriotism can spread so easily among the gullible churches that they must be either closed, license plates recorded or outright banned from operating if the government deems them nonessential. Not like that freedom is in the Constitution or anything. I read recently albeit totally unverifiable stats that over 50% of Americans can’t read at a level to understand the Constitution. Heck nobody but lawyers understand state or tax law. Let’s pop in illegals who not May can’t read, don’t care to assimilate or follow our laws, think it’s ok to kill wild eagles or mutilate young child brides, embrace their country’s laws and morals and will vote for who gives them free stuff you could almost imagine the scales being tipped that nobody is left that would know what rights even are. Heck, healthcare and free phones are considered rights by some. No need to work. The tax yoke that many of us still wear, beaten and down trodden as we are forced to pay and pay and never catch that proverbial free train seems to be getting heavier and heavier. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat- never did I think that the government and taxes would choke me from running a business or keeping a roof over my head- and that for Gen X living in a van down by the river is looking the smartest of choices over the kids, debt, no healthcare and running a business the government seeks to tax to death. Why bother is fast becoming a dream since prison for not paying student loans is still a thing for the rest of us still paying attention to laws, and handouts the government uses to control you in poverty isn’t a role I’d willingly sign up to.
Funny story- I watched a middle aged woman come in to the New Mexican restaurant at the nearest corner to get her cash weeks pay. Cash. That’s the state of the world we live in
I agree friend that the state of the world seems to be utter chaos. Like our gives and the powers that be are hell bent on destroying humanity piece by piece because there is money to be made yet on us and experiments yet. It is purely satanic either kill everyone or subvert their soul all the while trying to attain immortality. But I do believe that God is in control and I have hope. It is in my own mind and heart and soul that I wage the biggest battles. Prayers friend.
Well, not exactly 'promoted' in a literal sense - she was already in the highest position she could attain - but she was certainly celebrated and venerated.
For signing off on using that gas she should have faced war-crimes charges... but that's just me.
Stone, seems like we grew up around the same time, I find this piece to be very interesting read. Thank you.
I want to say so much more, as I belonged to a cult like Koresh’s, when I was a kid. It was the most horrific experience I have ever been through and still haunts me until this day. My uncle and some of my family were involved. Story for another time. It stirs me up.
Koresh was not a Charismatic Pentecostal, he was a 7th day Adventist. Both are extremes at both ends of the spectrum of Christianity.
7th day Adventists are, “the end of the world is here”, always. Charismatic Pentecostals are not gun toting, end of days, crazy! Seriously, being in both, Christianity sects are very confusing.
Do I believe in what Koresh was doing? No. I am a full blown born again Christian. Like Islam or politics, we have crazy leftists as well.🤣🤣
I can’t fully support a person who is a pedophile. Or an abuser of children. He was strict and he supported “young marriage”, like Joe Biden and Jill…👍🏼
But his teachings, like that of Jesus, was harsh. And yes, the Son of God, was harsh.
If you were God in the flesh, and spoke about habitual sin, and kept seeing it, wouldn’t you be harsh too? I would and I am. But I sin also, so my mouth is shut. He was trying to get his own deep understanding out to fellow Christians and such.
Sex with minors (meaning 16 year olds) was the *allegation* they used to get probable cause for a warrant after all their other pretexts had been turned down even by the justice system itself. This was a totalitarian action to brutally mark the boundaries of allowable dissent. The sex charges were bullshit like all the other charges. I am sure the cult was not everyone's cup of tea but that does not justify federal mass murder.
Why was the ATF given a warrant to investigate alleged child abuse in the first place? They aren’t the Bureau of Child Abuse, Alcohol, Tax and Firearms.
They had NO business doing that... AT ALL. They claimed their targets were those oh-so-skeery guns, but they promoted the child-protection angle as an excuse.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I strongly agree. I am doing operation garden plot. It’s the dod’s way of starting civil unrest. This and ruby ridge, and so many others had no justice. But being in a cult as I said, 1) hard to leave 2) they were molesting minors and the head pastor thought he was God. It gets crazy, but as said, I will be doing a piece on this, as well.
Maybe they thought they were snuffing out the potential Messiah? We believe the government protects us, but instead if you are out of step with their belief system you will be kicked out, even if that means murdering dozens of innocent victims.
That is a distinct possibility as well, Charlotte! Who knows with certainty what their real motivations are for taking ANY of the obviously-criminal actions they take? If I can get people thinking about it, however... my work here is done ;-)
I tend to be loath to build my ideas on what most/many would call “conspiracy theory.” But, you make some excellent conclusions.
I know the FBI likely didn’t mean to set the fire; but they did because their bosses were fools to have tried knock down a wooden building while pouring incendiary tear gas throughout that building where the lighting was made by kerosene.
But, that hardly means there was nothing to Koresh’s ideas about Revelations, although I’m in agreement with some 4th century and earlier church fathers that christianity would have done better having never allowed Revelation to have been canonized.
I always try to pepper the conclusions which come from my crazier 'conspiracy side' with rational justifications - it's a thing of mine LOL
As for Revelations? Even ol' Martin Luther had questions about it; he advocated for removing it, Jude, and (I think) one other book from the New Testament; other opinions obviously prevailed.
Of course, that book is not 'necessary' for bestowing prophecy - if Providence wants to grant someone a 'revelation,' It could do so using a Farmer's Almanac - it's kind of a perk of being an all-powerful force, You can use whatever you wish ;-)
I think it was the Book of James that Luther wanted to through out because of its teaching that faith without works is dead. Luther seemed to lean more to the by grace alone are you saved. But I really don’t think that Sola anything is a great idea. We know that the Holy Trinity- Father, Son and HolySpirit are one in essence and undivided but at the same time separate and distinct having different actions and energies. The Apostles and the followers of Christ were together worshipping and living and writing many many many letters and books for years before the Bible was actually put together. The Sacraments, rituals and the Traditions of the Church, the body of Christ, were practiced faithfully from the time of Pentecost til 1054 when the schism occurred that is a lot of years friends. Councils were held 7 Ecumenical councils all to address heresies and to clearly defend doctrine. So honestly I think that it all needs to be done in harmony and synchrony the way the Holy Trinity works. We live in the church, the Body of Christ, we stay in the Spirit and we commit our lives and actions to God. Even revelations have to be interpreted and viewed with the lens of the Church. We see how thinking Scripture can be privately interpreted has led to a bazillion religions yes? But we want Truth
Not really, as said throughout the whole Bible, all will be revealed. God doesn’t hide His truth or realities. It’s man who is saying it should be hidden. Shame on you, people.
Let me just say one thing, it’s horrific to k ow a person would agree with priests that are no longer alive. Shouldn’t have canonized Revelations? Really? The Bible never had to be canonized. That’s why we have Revelations. There are other books that are not in the Bible that have more weight than gold. We forget the book of Enoch, only the Ethiopian Bible has that, why? It’s like the government, let’s hide the truth. Do you see how far that got us?
Thank you! A lot of time and research went into this article. I appreciate you! And I think you are right about the written word having a power even years later. And honestly like you said waiting eight days or killing 28 children?
Sorry it took so long for me to respond to this, Holly. Yep, it DID take a wee bit of work, but it was worth it after seeing comments like this. So... thank you ☺️
There are tidal waves of totalitarian themes.. unsettling sub themes... and demonic undertone messages in the Waco..ATF ..koresh .scenario....the future of...freedom..dissent..Christianity....was..is..that christianity..true or supposedly ..cultist,?...perfect or not.**...incinerating mossad idf style.. little churches...little compounds...**.like what the same antiChristian autocratic controligarch Jews want to do to the Amish in 2024... the truth about .the 2A...the judeao bolshevist big pig big brother isrealified occult governance..Waco is in our nightmares ..ruby ridge..the bombing of Serbia...Gaza..the gay Jewish disco meat grinder Ukraine...or.."jewkraine" the escape rat tunnel for homicidal isreali s seeking alternatives to war crimes trials..but..the American Kristallnacht commences....don't forget the Jews created and supported Jim Jones ..jonrstown..covid..too...*"*..Americans don't want young peoples skulls cracked for saying stop the genocides...* Waco..ruby ridge.....the later blessed lavoy finnecum too...See also.* Mass Graves in Khan Younis*
Never forget that your government could turn on your community, too. We are all at risk of becoming victims of these twisted people who were just following orders. 🌺Yvonne
Could not agree more - wish others would see it as well.
It Will Never Happen Here or Will It? https://www.courageouslion.us/p/it-will-never-happen-here
"Your"? It hasn't been ours for a long time.
True!
History is written by the ‘victors’, the winners 🙈
Every single time. 😐
Indeed ☹️
And we're winning, slowly but surely...🌺Yvonne
The lies of history are always written by those who commit the most atrocities to become the winners.
Like no knock accidents slaughtering innocents, the government and its tentacles never seem to learn and improve. I had an under grad class with an FBI agent who when questioned on both Ridge and Waco said it was a dark stain on the agency. That’s it. Welllllll….. ok then. Lesson learned not needed in that pay grade I guess. If non violent options are not even considered, if accusation can warrant murder to ‘save’ and bring about law- then no one is safe in the end. Just like the hate directed at fly over country, the religious, the ‘right’, the veterans, the soccer moms of deviance can all become enemies of the state if you throw the right mud at them. With our Congress siding against the Constitutional rights to be safe in person and property, to not be subject to warrant less search and seizure, To be free to speak out unpopular opinions about the government or its representatives who we pay to in fact represent We The People-it becomes quite clear we are all potential baton victims if we fall out of line. How appalling to think devout Catholics have been viewed enemies of this country, and if them then how long until those wild and crazy Mormons are looked into, or the Amish and their tax aversion ways….religion seems to be a dangerous haven if Covid or patriotism can spread so easily among the gullible churches that they must be either closed, license plates recorded or outright banned from operating if the government deems them nonessential. Not like that freedom is in the Constitution or anything. I read recently albeit totally unverifiable stats that over 50% of Americans can’t read at a level to understand the Constitution. Heck nobody but lawyers understand state or tax law. Let’s pop in illegals who not May can’t read, don’t care to assimilate or follow our laws, think it’s ok to kill wild eagles or mutilate young child brides, embrace their country’s laws and morals and will vote for who gives them free stuff you could almost imagine the scales being tipped that nobody is left that would know what rights even are. Heck, healthcare and free phones are considered rights by some. No need to work. The tax yoke that many of us still wear, beaten and down trodden as we are forced to pay and pay and never catch that proverbial free train seems to be getting heavier and heavier. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat- never did I think that the government and taxes would choke me from running a business or keeping a roof over my head- and that for Gen X living in a van down by the river is looking the smartest of choices over the kids, debt, no healthcare and running a business the government seeks to tax to death. Why bother is fast becoming a dream since prison for not paying student loans is still a thing for the rest of us still paying attention to laws, and handouts the government uses to control you in poverty isn’t a role I’d willingly sign up to.
Funny story- I watched a middle aged woman come in to the New Mexican restaurant at the nearest corner to get her cash weeks pay. Cash. That’s the state of the world we live in
That is a powerful comment, TD - thank you so much for sharing it!
The is why "The Law 2024" needs to be looked at carefully. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/the-law-2024
I agree friend that the state of the world seems to be utter chaos. Like our gives and the powers that be are hell bent on destroying humanity piece by piece because there is money to be made yet on us and experiments yet. It is purely satanic either kill everyone or subvert their soul all the while trying to attain immortality. But I do believe that God is in control and I have hope. It is in my own mind and heart and soul that I wage the biggest battles. Prayers friend.
Held accountable? Janet Reno was *promoted* for Waco, right?
Well, not exactly 'promoted' in a literal sense - she was already in the highest position she could attain - but she was certainly celebrated and venerated.
For signing off on using that gas she should have faced war-crimes charges... but that's just me.
Thank you Stone. I'll dig deeper 🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely, always happy to give people new rabbit-holes to explore 😁
Stone, seems like we grew up around the same time, I find this piece to be very interesting read. Thank you.
I want to say so much more, as I belonged to a cult like Koresh’s, when I was a kid. It was the most horrific experience I have ever been through and still haunts me until this day. My uncle and some of my family were involved. Story for another time. It stirs me up.
Koresh was not a Charismatic Pentecostal, he was a 7th day Adventist. Both are extremes at both ends of the spectrum of Christianity.
7th day Adventists are, “the end of the world is here”, always. Charismatic Pentecostals are not gun toting, end of days, crazy! Seriously, being in both, Christianity sects are very confusing.
Do I believe in what Koresh was doing? No. I am a full blown born again Christian. Like Islam or politics, we have crazy leftists as well.🤣🤣
I can’t fully support a person who is a pedophile. Or an abuser of children. He was strict and he supported “young marriage”, like Joe Biden and Jill…👍🏼
But his teachings, like that of Jesus, was harsh. And yes, the Son of God, was harsh.
If you were God in the flesh, and spoke about habitual sin, and kept seeing it, wouldn’t you be harsh too? I would and I am. But I sin also, so my mouth is shut. He was trying to get his own deep understanding out to fellow Christians and such.
Sex with minors (meaning 16 year olds) was the *allegation* they used to get probable cause for a warrant after all their other pretexts had been turned down even by the justice system itself. This was a totalitarian action to brutally mark the boundaries of allowable dissent. The sex charges were bullshit like all the other charges. I am sure the cult was not everyone's cup of tea but that does not justify federal mass murder.
Why was the ATF given a warrant to investigate alleged child abuse in the first place? They aren’t the Bureau of Child Abuse, Alcohol, Tax and Firearms.
They had NO business doing that... AT ALL. They claimed their targets were those oh-so-skeery guns, but they promoted the child-protection angle as an excuse.
Still part of the wretched government
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I strongly agree. I am doing operation garden plot. It’s the dod’s way of starting civil unrest. This and ruby ridge, and so many others had no justice. But being in a cult as I said, 1) hard to leave 2) they were molesting minors and the head pastor thought he was God. It gets crazy, but as said, I will be doing a piece on this, as well.
Thank you so much for sharing what you have gone through, and your thoughts here; I appreciate them.
With one of the goals to rescue the kids, you kill them instead? I feel a mixture of heartache, sick, and disgusted.
It stretches the bounds of credulity, doesn't it? I couldn't agree more with your comment. 🫡
Maybe they thought they were snuffing out the potential Messiah? We believe the government protects us, but instead if you are out of step with their belief system you will be kicked out, even if that means murdering dozens of innocent victims.
That is a distinct possibility as well, Charlotte! Who knows with certainty what their real motivations are for taking ANY of the obviously-criminal actions they take? If I can get people thinking about it, however... my work here is done ;-)
As always, thank you! :-)
You can only guess and speculate their motives. One thing for certain criminals try to hide their motives and their silence is REVEALING!
Well done again, sir.
Appreciate the encouragement and support, brother, as always.
I tend to be loath to build my ideas on what most/many would call “conspiracy theory.” But, you make some excellent conclusions.
I know the FBI likely didn’t mean to set the fire; but they did because their bosses were fools to have tried knock down a wooden building while pouring incendiary tear gas throughout that building where the lighting was made by kerosene.
But, that hardly means there was nothing to Koresh’s ideas about Revelations, although I’m in agreement with some 4th century and earlier church fathers that christianity would have done better having never allowed Revelation to have been canonized.
I always try to pepper the conclusions which come from my crazier 'conspiracy side' with rational justifications - it's a thing of mine LOL
As for Revelations? Even ol' Martin Luther had questions about it; he advocated for removing it, Jude, and (I think) one other book from the New Testament; other opinions obviously prevailed.
Of course, that book is not 'necessary' for bestowing prophecy - if Providence wants to grant someone a 'revelation,' It could do so using a Farmer's Almanac - it's kind of a perk of being an all-powerful force, You can use whatever you wish ;-)
Great comment, Radha! Thanks so much!
Thank you, Stone
I think it was the Book of James that Luther wanted to through out because of its teaching that faith without works is dead. Luther seemed to lean more to the by grace alone are you saved. But I really don’t think that Sola anything is a great idea. We know that the Holy Trinity- Father, Son and HolySpirit are one in essence and undivided but at the same time separate and distinct having different actions and energies. The Apostles and the followers of Christ were together worshipping and living and writing many many many letters and books for years before the Bible was actually put together. The Sacraments, rituals and the Traditions of the Church, the body of Christ, were practiced faithfully from the time of Pentecost til 1054 when the schism occurred that is a lot of years friends. Councils were held 7 Ecumenical councils all to address heresies and to clearly defend doctrine. So honestly I think that it all needs to be done in harmony and synchrony the way the Holy Trinity works. We live in the church, the Body of Christ, we stay in the Spirit and we commit our lives and actions to God. Even revelations have to be interpreted and viewed with the lens of the Church. We see how thinking Scripture can be privately interpreted has led to a bazillion religions yes? But we want Truth
Not really, as said throughout the whole Bible, all will be revealed. God doesn’t hide His truth or realities. It’s man who is saying it should be hidden. Shame on you, people.
Let me just say one thing, it’s horrific to k ow a person would agree with priests that are no longer alive. Shouldn’t have canonized Revelations? Really? The Bible never had to be canonized. That’s why we have Revelations. There are other books that are not in the Bible that have more weight than gold. We forget the book of Enoch, only the Ethiopian Bible has that, why? It’s like the government, let’s hide the truth. Do you see how far that got us?
Democide is always justifiable by the Demons (curious how similar those two words are). Standing up against it is treason.
Very curious, indeed. Good catch on that... 🫡
Swept under the rug of selective history
Par for the course, eh? It's becoming almost blasé, the frequency with which they do this 🤦🏻
I thought we were supposed to learn from history? Not so much I guess. Let’s just conveniently erase it to fit a narrative. 🤬
Hey, the ruby ridge link isn't working for me (I'll use search to find it, but wanted to let you know).
Thanks, just updated it :-)
Interesting and disturbing.. The media never depicted the story in this way, of course.
Thank you! A lot of time and research went into this article. I appreciate you! And I think you are right about the written word having a power even years later. And honestly like you said waiting eight days or killing 28 children?
Sorry it took so long for me to respond to this, Holly. Yep, it DID take a wee bit of work, but it was worth it after seeing comments like this. So... thank you ☺️
There are tidal waves of totalitarian themes.. unsettling sub themes... and demonic undertone messages in the Waco..ATF ..koresh .scenario....the future of...freedom..dissent..Christianity....was..is..that christianity..true or supposedly ..cultist,?...perfect or not.**...incinerating mossad idf style.. little churches...little compounds...**.like what the same antiChristian autocratic controligarch Jews want to do to the Amish in 2024... the truth about .the 2A...the judeao bolshevist big pig big brother isrealified occult governance..Waco is in our nightmares ..ruby ridge..the bombing of Serbia...Gaza..the gay Jewish disco meat grinder Ukraine...or.."jewkraine" the escape rat tunnel for homicidal isreali s seeking alternatives to war crimes trials..but..the American Kristallnacht commences....don't forget the Jews created and supported Jim Jones ..jonrstown..covid..too...*"*..Americans don't want young peoples skulls cracked for saying stop the genocides...* Waco..ruby ridge.....the later blessed lavoy finnecum too...See also.* Mass Graves in Khan Younis*