Never forget that your government could turn on your community, too. We are all at risk of becoming victims of these twisted people who were just following orders. 🌺Yvonne
Well, not exactly 'promoted' in a literal sense - she was already in the highest position she could attain - but she was certainly celebrated and venerated.
For signing off on using that gas she should have faced war-crimes charges... but that's just me.
Stone, seems like we grew up around the same time, I find this piece to be very interesting read. Thank you.
I want to say so much more, as I belonged to a cult like Koresh’s, when I was a kid. It was the most horrific experience I have ever been through and still haunts me until this day. My uncle and some of my family were involved. Story for another time. It stirs me up.
Koresh was not a Charismatic Pentecostal, he was a 7th day Adventist. Both are extremes at both ends of the spectrum of Christianity.
7th day Adventists are, “the end of the world is here”, always. Charismatic Pentecostals are not gun toting, end of days, crazy! Seriously, being in both, Christianity sects are very confusing.
Do I believe in what Koresh was doing? No. I am a full blown born again Christian. Like Islam or politics, we have crazy leftists as well.🤣🤣
I can’t fully support a person who is a pedophile. Or an abuser of children. He was strict and he supported “young marriage”, like Joe Biden and Jill…👍🏼
But his teachings, like that of Jesus, was harsh. And yes, the Son of God, was harsh.
If you were God in the flesh, and spoke about habitual sin, and kept seeing it, wouldn’t you be harsh too? I would and I am. But I sin also, so my mouth is shut. He was trying to get his own deep understanding out to fellow Christians and such.
Sex with minors (meaning 16 year olds) was the *allegation* they used to get probable cause for a warrant after all their other pretexts had been turned down even by the justice system itself. This was a totalitarian action to brutally mark the boundaries of allowable dissent. The sex charges were bullshit like all the other charges. I am sure the cult was not everyone's cup of tea but that does not justify federal mass murder.
Why was the ATF given a warrant to investigate alleged child abuse in the first place? They aren’t the Bureau of Child Abuse, Alcohol, Tax and Firearms.
They had NO business doing that... AT ALL. They claimed their targets were those oh-so-skeery guns, but they promoted the child-protection angle as an excuse.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I strongly agree. I am doing operation garden plot. It’s the dod’s way of starting civil unrest. This and ruby ridge, and so many others had no justice. But being in a cult as I said, 1) hard to leave 2) they were molesting minors and the head pastor thought he was God. It gets crazy, but as said, I will be doing a piece on this, as well.
Maybe they thought they were snuffing out the potential Messiah? We believe the government protects us, but instead if you are out of step with their belief system you will be kicked out, even if that means murdering dozens of innocent victims.
That is a distinct possibility as well, Charlotte! Who knows with certainty what their real motivations are for taking ANY of the obviously-criminal actions they take? If I can get people thinking about it, however... my work here is done ;-)
I tend to be loath to build my ideas on what most/many would call “conspiracy theory.” But, you make some excellent conclusions.
I know the FBI likely didn’t mean to set the fire; but they did because their bosses were fools to have tried knock down a wooden building while pouring incendiary tear gas throughout that building where the lighting was made by kerosene.
But, that hardly means there was nothing to Koresh’s ideas about Revelations, although I’m in agreement with some 4th century and earlier church fathers that christianity would have done better having never allowed Revelation to have been canonized.
I always try to pepper the conclusions which come from my crazier 'conspiracy side' with rational justifications - it's a thing of mine LOL
As for Revelations? Even ol' Martin Luther had questions about it; he advocated for removing it, Jude, and (I think) one other book from the New Testament; other opinions obviously prevailed.
Of course, that book is not 'necessary' for bestowing prophecy - if Providence wants to grant someone a 'revelation,' It could do so using a Farmer's Almanac - it's kind of a perk of being an all-powerful force, You can use whatever you wish ;-)
I think it was the Book of James that Luther wanted to through out because of its teaching that faith without works is dead. Luther seemed to lean more to the by grace alone are you saved. But I really don’t think that Sola anything is a great idea. We know that the Holy Trinity- Father, Son and HolySpirit are one in essence and undivided but at the same time separate and distinct having different actions and energies. The Apostles and the followers of Christ were together worshipping and living and writing many many many letters and books for years before the Bible was actually put together. The Sacraments, rituals and the Traditions of the Church, the body of Christ, were practiced faithfully from the time of Pentecost til 1054 when the schism occurred that is a lot of years friends. Councils were held 7 Ecumenical councils all to address heresies and to clearly defend doctrine. So honestly I think that it all needs to be done in harmony and synchrony the way the Holy Trinity works. We live in the church, the Body of Christ, we stay in the Spirit and we commit our lives and actions to God. Even revelations have to be interpreted and viewed with the lens of the Church. We see how thinking Scripture can be privately interpreted has led to a bazillion religions yes? But we want Truth
Not really, as said throughout the whole Bible, all will be revealed. God doesn’t hide His truth or realities. It’s man who is saying it should be hidden. Shame on you, people.
Let me just say one thing, it’s horrific to k ow a person would agree with priests that are no longer alive. Shouldn’t have canonized Revelations? Really? The Bible never had to be canonized. That’s why we have Revelations. There are other books that are not in the Bible that have more weight than gold. We forget the book of Enoch, only the Ethiopian Bible has that, why? It’s like the government, let’s hide the truth. Do you see how far that got us?
Let's also consider the hubris and parallels of the government to the height of economic success of Roman Empire, three years before it became clear that the liberal globalist economic system wasn't working.
Because around that time, a struggle within Christianity began.
The teachings of Paul in alighnment with Caesar and the fanatical zaelots at war with Rome.
After the death of Caesar, the rise of the Oligarchs in the Senate ensured a slow and steady decline in concert with a lack of aggragate silver stability.
What we see then is an descenion made to "go underground" in fiscal policy, to create a parallel control grid of currency, within the divide and conquer strat of controlling the Church, traumatizing people, and attacking individual freedom and liberty.
I mean I agree with your conclusion in part for sure.
I'm justtrying to shed light on a macabre, psuedo-renacted inter elite conflict and not doing a good job of it because I don't understand it well.
This all seems too eerily remind me of what happened to Milton William Bill Cooper in Arizona. He was trying to wake us up to reality first with short wave radio broadcasts in the 1970s and in his book, Behold a Pale Horse in 1991.
Thanks as I watched the events at Mount Carmel on the news and at Ruby Ridge too and none of that made any sense either.
It stuck with me though that events unfolding were obviously Biblical.
Sounds like you and I are cut from the same proverbial cloth, Rick; I wrote a piece about ol’ Coop on the 22nd anniversary of his assassi-- um, I mean ‘killing’
Never forget that your government could turn on your community, too. We are all at risk of becoming victims of these twisted people who were just following orders. 🌺Yvonne
Could not agree more - wish others would see it as well.
It Will Never Happen Here or Will It? https://www.courageouslion.us/p/it-will-never-happen-here
"Your"? It hasn't been ours for a long time.
True!
History is written by the ‘victors’, the winners 🙈
Every single time. 😐
Indeed ☹️
And we're winning, slowly but surely...🌺Yvonne
The lies of history are always written by those who commit the most atrocities to become the winners.
Held accountable? Janet Reno was *promoted* for Waco, right?
Well, not exactly 'promoted' in a literal sense - she was already in the highest position she could attain - but she was certainly celebrated and venerated.
For signing off on using that gas she should have faced war-crimes charges... but that's just me.
With one of the goals to rescue the kids, you kill them instead? I feel a mixture of heartache, sick, and disgusted.
It stretches the bounds of credulity, doesn't it? I couldn't agree more with your comment. 🫡
Thank you Stone. I'll dig deeper 🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely, always happy to give people new rabbit-holes to explore 😁
Stone, seems like we grew up around the same time, I find this piece to be very interesting read. Thank you.
I want to say so much more, as I belonged to a cult like Koresh’s, when I was a kid. It was the most horrific experience I have ever been through and still haunts me until this day. My uncle and some of my family were involved. Story for another time. It stirs me up.
Koresh was not a Charismatic Pentecostal, he was a 7th day Adventist. Both are extremes at both ends of the spectrum of Christianity.
7th day Adventists are, “the end of the world is here”, always. Charismatic Pentecostals are not gun toting, end of days, crazy! Seriously, being in both, Christianity sects are very confusing.
Do I believe in what Koresh was doing? No. I am a full blown born again Christian. Like Islam or politics, we have crazy leftists as well.🤣🤣
I can’t fully support a person who is a pedophile. Or an abuser of children. He was strict and he supported “young marriage”, like Joe Biden and Jill…👍🏼
But his teachings, like that of Jesus, was harsh. And yes, the Son of God, was harsh.
If you were God in the flesh, and spoke about habitual sin, and kept seeing it, wouldn’t you be harsh too? I would and I am. But I sin also, so my mouth is shut. He was trying to get his own deep understanding out to fellow Christians and such.
Sex with minors (meaning 16 year olds) was the *allegation* they used to get probable cause for a warrant after all their other pretexts had been turned down even by the justice system itself. This was a totalitarian action to brutally mark the boundaries of allowable dissent. The sex charges were bullshit like all the other charges. I am sure the cult was not everyone's cup of tea but that does not justify federal mass murder.
Why was the ATF given a warrant to investigate alleged child abuse in the first place? They aren’t the Bureau of Child Abuse, Alcohol, Tax and Firearms.
They had NO business doing that... AT ALL. They claimed their targets were those oh-so-skeery guns, but they promoted the child-protection angle as an excuse.
Still part of the wretched government
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I strongly agree. I am doing operation garden plot. It’s the dod’s way of starting civil unrest. This and ruby ridge, and so many others had no justice. But being in a cult as I said, 1) hard to leave 2) they were molesting minors and the head pastor thought he was God. It gets crazy, but as said, I will be doing a piece on this, as well.
Thank you so much for sharing what you have gone through, and your thoughts here; I appreciate them.
Maybe they thought they were snuffing out the potential Messiah? We believe the government protects us, but instead if you are out of step with their belief system you will be kicked out, even if that means murdering dozens of innocent victims.
That is a distinct possibility as well, Charlotte! Who knows with certainty what their real motivations are for taking ANY of the obviously-criminal actions they take? If I can get people thinking about it, however... my work here is done ;-)
As always, thank you! :-)
You can only guess and speculate their motives. One thing for certain criminals try to hide their motives and their silence is REVEALING!
Well done again, sir.
Appreciate the encouragement and support, brother, as always.
I tend to be loath to build my ideas on what most/many would call “conspiracy theory.” But, you make some excellent conclusions.
I know the FBI likely didn’t mean to set the fire; but they did because their bosses were fools to have tried knock down a wooden building while pouring incendiary tear gas throughout that building where the lighting was made by kerosene.
But, that hardly means there was nothing to Koresh’s ideas about Revelations, although I’m in agreement with some 4th century and earlier church fathers that christianity would have done better having never allowed Revelation to have been canonized.
I always try to pepper the conclusions which come from my crazier 'conspiracy side' with rational justifications - it's a thing of mine LOL
As for Revelations? Even ol' Martin Luther had questions about it; he advocated for removing it, Jude, and (I think) one other book from the New Testament; other opinions obviously prevailed.
Of course, that book is not 'necessary' for bestowing prophecy - if Providence wants to grant someone a 'revelation,' It could do so using a Farmer's Almanac - it's kind of a perk of being an all-powerful force, You can use whatever you wish ;-)
Great comment, Radha! Thanks so much!
Thank you, Stone
I think it was the Book of James that Luther wanted to through out because of its teaching that faith without works is dead. Luther seemed to lean more to the by grace alone are you saved. But I really don’t think that Sola anything is a great idea. We know that the Holy Trinity- Father, Son and HolySpirit are one in essence and undivided but at the same time separate and distinct having different actions and energies. The Apostles and the followers of Christ were together worshipping and living and writing many many many letters and books for years before the Bible was actually put together. The Sacraments, rituals and the Traditions of the Church, the body of Christ, were practiced faithfully from the time of Pentecost til 1054 when the schism occurred that is a lot of years friends. Councils were held 7 Ecumenical councils all to address heresies and to clearly defend doctrine. So honestly I think that it all needs to be done in harmony and synchrony the way the Holy Trinity works. We live in the church, the Body of Christ, we stay in the Spirit and we commit our lives and actions to God. Even revelations have to be interpreted and viewed with the lens of the Church. We see how thinking Scripture can be privately interpreted has led to a bazillion religions yes? But we want Truth
Not really, as said throughout the whole Bible, all will be revealed. God doesn’t hide His truth or realities. It’s man who is saying it should be hidden. Shame on you, people.
Let me just say one thing, it’s horrific to k ow a person would agree with priests that are no longer alive. Shouldn’t have canonized Revelations? Really? The Bible never had to be canonized. That’s why we have Revelations. There are other books that are not in the Bible that have more weight than gold. We forget the book of Enoch, only the Ethiopian Bible has that, why? It’s like the government, let’s hide the truth. Do you see how far that got us?
Democide is always justifiable by the Demons (curious how similar those two words are). Standing up against it is treason.
Very curious, indeed. Good catch on that... 🫡
Swept under the rug of selective history
Par for the course, eh? It's becoming almost blasé, the frequency with which they do this 🤦🏻
I thought we were supposed to learn from history? Not so much I guess. Let’s just conveniently erase it to fit a narrative. 🤬
Hey, the ruby ridge link isn't working for me (I'll use search to find it, but wanted to let you know).
Thanks, just updated it :-)
Let's also consider the hubris and parallels of the government to the height of economic success of Roman Empire, three years before it became clear that the liberal globalist economic system wasn't working.
Because around that time, a struggle within Christianity began.
The teachings of Paul in alighnment with Caesar and the fanatical zaelots at war with Rome.
After the death of Caesar, the rise of the Oligarchs in the Senate ensured a slow and steady decline in concert with a lack of aggragate silver stability.
What we see then is an descenion made to "go underground" in fiscal policy, to create a parallel control grid of currency, within the divide and conquer strat of controlling the Church, traumatizing people, and attacking individual freedom and liberty.
I mean I agree with your conclusion in part for sure.
I'm justtrying to shed light on a macabre, psuedo-renacted inter elite conflict and not doing a good job of it because I don't understand it well.
Thanks Stone. The failing economic system cannot account for one thing-love
It was murder, plain and simple.
This all seems too eerily remind me of what happened to Milton William Bill Cooper in Arizona. He was trying to wake us up to reality first with short wave radio broadcasts in the 1970s and in his book, Behold a Pale Horse in 1991.
Thanks as I watched the events at Mount Carmel on the news and at Ruby Ridge too and none of that made any sense either.
It stuck with me though that events unfolding were obviously Biblical.
Sounds like you and I are cut from the same proverbial cloth, Rick; I wrote a piece about ol’ Coop on the 22nd anniversary of his assassi-- um, I mean ‘killing’
https://stonebryson.substack.com/p/remember-remember-a-man-named-cooper
Thanks for the great comment!
I started following Bill on my short wave radio years ago and then on Rumble and have trying to get everyone else to follow him ever since.
Interesting and disturbing.. The media never depicted the story in this way, of course.